Astacus’ S3

Astacus’ S3

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Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Friday 7th June
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So, I have bought an S3. I have always liked the S and I just thought I should take the plunge and buy one. I have a Vixen in bits in the garage. I have been playing with it for maybe 14 years on and off and I really just wanted a TVR I could actually drive.

I’ll post up pics when I get a moment. The car is a 1990 non cat in Mica Red, which I really like. It has had a tub off chassis repair which seems to have been done to a good standard and the previous owner, a lovely chap from the West Country who need space for his Aston project, had done a lot of work on various mechanical bits, but the car is rather in need of a bit of TLC in some areas.
I am a little obsessive, so I am likely to get carried away with the cosmetics, but it’s a nice solid car that I can drive around and improve as I go. Perfect.
Project for the weekend is to find out why the boot pops open unprovoked and tidy up the boot. I have already pulled out the boot carpets and cleaned them ready to go back in. If I get that sorted and I have the time I will find out why the fuse board and the ECU made an appearance in the passenger footwell and sort that. Then I will be more comfortable driving it around.
After that I need to sort out the wiring under the centre console which is a mess. That should keep me going for a while
Major works include a new hood and probably a respray to deal with some spider cracks and a dash out job to fix some trim issues and sort out heater hoses and to fit a wood veneer dash.

Onward……

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Edited by Astacus on Friday 7th June 17:23

TR4man

5,265 posts

177 months

Saturday 8th June
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Great, looking forward to reading of your ownership experience.

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Saturday 8th June
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Ok first question: my boot latch has a solenoid AND a cable pulling it. Is there some sort of S series secret boot opening mechanism for when the solenoid fails?

v8s4me

7,262 posts

222 months

Saturday 8th June
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Yes there is but if we posted the answer it wouldn't be a secret any more biglaugh

If you've found the cable just follow it to the end and you should be able to work out the "secret" for your self. Many owners rig up manual release using a universal bonnet/choke cable hidden somewhere in the car. This is easier to use in an emergency than the TVR effort.

You'll find a void over the o/s rear wheel arch through which you can run your manual release cable.

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Sunday 9th June
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Ha, yes found it!

So today I dismantled the boot lock mechanism, complete with th bracket and solenoid. I followed the cable to the end and discovered where it is supposed to be accessed from. Blimey that would be a palaver. I wouldn't want to be doing that in the pissing rain in a hotel car park trying to recover my luggage rofl Note to self: keep the appropriate tool in the glove box....just in case.

Anyway, the lock was fine I think it was set slightly too low, and off centre, and so the small protrusion on the lid didn't completely "set" the receiver. Solution: stick a washer under one of the mounting lugs and jobs a goodun as they say. I may have to revisit this fix later. but for now its OK. The emergency release cable was seized solid so I replaced it with a spare bike cable i had and now I have a functioning boot lid.

I also managed to get most of the carpets back in the boot.

I took her for a blast around the by-pass and was followed by a guy who pulled up next to me to tell me the stop lights weren't working and that he had owned a blue S a few years ago. I said I had just spent the last 30mins getting the bloody indicators to work before going for a blast and he confirmed that he indeed felt my pain.

Here is a question for the engine experts: The car idles beautifully, but hates being in first or second. It runs really roughly under any load in low gear, but seems to run fine when given loads of revs. It won't go anywhere near the red line in any gear, but seems to accelerate well. Does anyone have any ideas where I should start looking? I have no experience in fuel injected, ECU controlled 'modern' engines so I guess this is where I start. Next week end I will be mostly tinkering withe engines.......

Edited by Astacus on Sunday 9th June 20:50

v8s4me

7,262 posts

222 months

Sunday 9th June
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Rear light cluster connections are a PIA. There is a fix explained in an old thread on here by Phillpot. I did the same mod and posted as well. I'll post a links if I can find them.

As for the engine fault - it could be anything. Check all the obvious things first eg. plugs, rotor arm, distributor cap, HT leads etc, etc. The ignition amplifier could be faulty but rule out the other stuff first. Check for air leaks in the hoses around the AFM/plenum but most TVR problems are electrical, usually easy to fix but bloody difficult to find thumbup

mk1fan

10,584 posts

228 months

Monday 10th June
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The rear light clusters were as source of issues on the donor car as well biglaugh

I soldered fly leads and a waterproof AMP Superseal connector. Doesn't help the poor method of [factory] installation of the light units.

You can fit a golf umbrella out of the way in the ridge / shelf above the rear lights which is handy for roadside rest stops.

Running issues can be a pain to find but it is basically the 2.9 fitted to various Fords so a Haynes manual is worth purchasing. TVR put a lot of effor in putting pieces of kit in silly positions to give owners something to do.

ETA - there is no pre-pump fuel filter so it is worth fitting one, especially if you're changing the pump. The rough running could be a poor pump or blocked post-pump filter. This filter may be due to be changed.

Edited by mk1fan on Monday 10th June 11:28

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Monday 10th June
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Thanks both for the handy hints. The paperwork from the previous owner is extensive and included photos of the chassis rebuild a Steve Heath Bible and a Haynes manual for the Granada, so my evening reading for this week is sorted. So far my suspicions are falling on the throttle pot. But I may need to interview further suspects. biggrin

Edited by Astacus on Wednesday 12th June 10:04

Adrian@

4,352 posts

285 months

Monday 10th June
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Check the throttle pot for being changed, as they came rotationally wrong with the same Ford part number (car runs great at 50% throttle then poorly at idle speeds) there was a loom that Ford sold to correct the wiring (look at the three pins in the pot OE are silver replacement are gold). A meter will give you a reading and the loom 5 inches away from the plug being played with will be the tell of previous replacement. A@

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Monday 10th June
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Thanks Adrian. Really useful insight.

I am hoping to get the car to a rolling road in the near future for a complete diagnistics

v8s4me

7,262 posts

222 months

Monday 10th June
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For a solution to the rear light cluster connectors CLICK HERE.

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Wednesday 12th June
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That’s very nice. I was planning on doing something similar, but yours is very neat.

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Wednesday 12th June
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Edited :

Ive been re arranging the drop-down wiring in my spare time this week and just out of interest I had a look at the ECU. The ECU I have is a

86GB12A650-DB which is listed as a Granada ECU on an earlier thread.

The car (like all old TVRs ) has been tinkered with by a number of people and it would be good to know I am starting from at least the correct basics when trying to track down my running issue rofl

Can anyone with a 1990 pre cat car confirm what their ECU code is please. Having an original ECU might not solve the issues I have, but having a substitute isn’t going to help me diagnose issues rofl

Thanks

Edited by Astacus on Wednesday 12th June 15:33

RayTVR

1,057 posts

146 months

Wednesday 12th June
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This was the original ECU in my 1991 no cat S3

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th June
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Lovely, thanks Ray. Of to the internet to find one of those then, or at least try and work out what the different codes mean.

At a wild guess 88 could be the build year.

The terminal letters should tell me something I guess…..

mk1fan

10,584 posts

228 months

Thursday 13th June
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You could try getting yours tested - Jody at Python Racing might be able to help, I have no affiliation - which would save the headache and risk of sourcing a used unit.

You could try Jools who may have a spare left over from ECU swaps - his PH name might be spitfire4v8 although I might be wrong - who may also be able to check that it is working 'within parameters'.

Finally, I'm going Emerald on the restoration of the Reserve (a J-plate S3) so I could check the ECU in that. Feel free to drop me a message through my profile.

mentall

464 posts

133 months

Thursday 13th June
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Here's the original Ford reference document which matches ECU's and Granada etc engines of our era. And much, much more!



Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th June
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mentall said:
Here's the original Ford reference document which matches ECU's and Granada etc engines of our era. And much, much more!
That’s a goldmine isn’t it !
So our ECU is as fitted to MT75 what ever that is ( maybe a Scorpio) and is for non cat cars with no lambda sensor. It also looks like there were even several versions of that.

mentall

464 posts

133 months

Friday 14th June
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MT75 is the manual gearbox option on 2.9 Granadas etc. Of course, that wouldn't fit in the S chassis, so TVR used the Type 9 'box from the 2.8's.
Hint: if you need to change the clutch on your 2.9, you need the parts for the 2.8!

Astacus

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3,438 posts

237 months

Friday 14th June
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Love all this new information. This is a steep learning curve.