Macron calls a national election

Macron calls a national election

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Kermit power

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28,993 posts

216 months

Sunday 9th June
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I guess not many saw that coming!

Heavily beaten by the Far Right in the European elections, is this a massive gamble that the French electorate will come to their senses when confronted with the notion of Le Pen running parliament?

If so, I've a horrible feeling it may be too late to call the voters' bluff.

Vanden Saab

14,450 posts

77 months

Sunday 9th June
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He is doing a Sunak...

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,993 posts

216 months

Sunday 9th June
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Vanden Saab said:
He is doing a Sunak...
I'm not sure anyone knows why Sunak did what he did, possibly including Sunak himself!

Hippea

1,949 posts

72 months

Sunday 9th June
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What a year in politics this is turning out to be

105.4

4,175 posts

74 months

Sunday 9th June
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The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that Marie le Pen is ’far-right’

confused

vaud

51,138 posts

158 months

Sunday 9th June
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105.4 said:
The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that Marie le Pen is ’far-right’

confused
Why?

86

2,856 posts

119 months

Sunday 9th June
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Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates

Xenoous

1,147 posts

61 months

Sunday 9th June
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Kermit power said:
is this a massive gamble that the French electorate will come to their senses when confronted with the notion of Le Pen running parliament?
In what way are people not coming to their senses already? People have had enough and they've voted as such. This is a symptom of a sick society. It's happening all throughout Europe, and here too. Time to perhaps accept things aren't healthy?

Still, the UK will vote Labour in. Yippee.

eharding

13,942 posts

287 months

Sunday 9th June
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vaud said:
105.4 said:
The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that Marie le Pen is ’far-right’

confused
Why?
Because when someone has gone so far to the right themselves, to the degree that they've tripped over the edge and fallen off, *everything* else looks left wing.

frisbee

5,041 posts

113 months

Sunday 9th June
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86 said:
Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates
What floodgates? The Tories sold them for scrap years ago. They made no effort to control legal immigration and were utterly inept at controlling illegal immigration.

soupdragon1

4,227 posts

100 months

Sunday 9th June
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Macron needs to win.

The divide and conquer of Europe has strong momentum now and Macron, arguably Europe's greatest current leader, is worried.

There are huge amounts wrong with the EU and indeed in France, but having unhappy people is a natural byproduct of democracy, and some people are losing sight of that.

European countries in isolation are simply weak when measured against the behemoths like USA and China. We need that frame of reference.

The French have voted their views on the European parliament and want their voices heard in that forum but I think they get the nuances at play and will think differently on a national level. At least, that's what Macron is hoping for.

tamore

7,233 posts

287 months

Sunday 9th June
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86 said:
Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates
laughable comment 86. like it was watertight!

Hippea

1,949 posts

72 months

Sunday 9th June
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What could this mean for Ukraine?

hidetheelephants

26,020 posts

196 months

Sunday 9th June
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Le Pen is at best soft on Putin, what the intent of her protege would be in the event of a win isn't clear but another "both sides" twerp like Fico or Orban would be bad news.

James6112

4,663 posts

31 months

Sunday 9th June
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86 said:
Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates
rofl
Groomed by the Daily Fail?

Mr Magooagain

10,219 posts

173 months

Sunday 9th June
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I’m my commune and those all around me voted for the Le Pen puppet. He got around 45% of all votes.
It’s no surprise and the pension reforms will bite Macron.

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,993 posts

216 months

Sunday 9th June
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105.4 said:
The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that Marie le Pen is ’far-right’

confused
Are you aware of her history?

She's a senior member of France's far right royalty who took an undisputedly Far Right party and dressed it up in nationalist/populist clothes to make it look respectable enough to get people to vote for it.

The RN's 22 point plan for France is absolutely textbook. Promise the people what they want to hear, keep just the right amount of blaming Islam, make lots of completely unfunded spending promises, drop Frexit from the list because it's not popular, but then issue a manifesto which is undeliverable whilst remaining members of the EU. It plays very well to the psyche of many post-colonial French voters.

If they win the election, be under no illusions as to what the people of France will be electing.

Chicken Chaser

7,966 posts

227 months

Sunday 9th June
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It's a concerning development but it does seem the Euro populace are increasingly looking for a change, and whether that be through what they witness daily or what they see and read on social media, it seems that recent history isn't enough to hold them back.

gazza285

9,904 posts

211 months

Sunday 9th June
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86 said:
Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates


If Europeans have had enough of immigration, and I presume you refer to illegal immigration here, then why would the floodgates open here, will the boats be coming direct from Africa then?

hidetheelephants

26,020 posts

196 months

Sunday 9th June
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Chicken Chaser said:
It's a concerning development but it does seem the Euro populace are increasingly looking for a change, and whether that be through what they witness daily or what they see and read on social media, it seems that recent history isn't enough to hold them back.
The french did vote for change, it's just they've decided slightly lukewarm blairite neoliberalism isn't what France wanted after all.